[game_preservation] Internet Archive Starts Archiving Commercial PC Games?

[Martin Goldberg]

Certainly understandable, though them not getting back to you should be a
clear indication of rights not granted. Either way, I would think there's a
difference between preservation and offering them up on a website for
download and play though.


On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Alex Handy <alex at themade.org> wrote:


> Certainly, some are very easy to source. I've tried to get rights like

> this for preservation purposes before, and it's a very, very difficult row

> to hoe. Even knowing who owns the games, they won't return your calls...

>

> There is stuff out there that's vanishing, and i love Jason's save it all

> attitude.

> On Dec 16, 2013 11:18 AM, "Martin Goldberg" <wgungfu at gmail.com> wrote:

>

>> That's certainly not the case with any of the Atari games and some of the

>> other related companies. They're very easy to source.

>>

>>

>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Alex Handy <alex at themade.org> wrote:

>>

>>> Problem is most of the stuff he's preserving is damn near impossible to

>>> source ip rights on. 80's game companies have all been sold off a dozen

>>> times, and the companies that still own those rights probably don't even

>>> know they own them..

>>>

>>> Ip is a mess right now. I think Jason is doing the right thing. Waiting

>>> for companies to give him permission would basically doom the project to

>>> failure.

>>> On Dec 16, 2013 9:30 AM, "Andrew Perti" <andrew.perti at thesimm.org>

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>>> I recently had a lengthy discussion with Jason about this. He's using

>>>> what he calls the 'back door' method, rather than the legal and

>>>> conventional 'front door.' A 'let's see what happens' approach.

>>>>

>>>> Preservation, to me, does not necessarily include making something

>>>> publicly available. This is especially true when you don't hold an original

>>>> to reference from. I'd call it piracy with rose tinted sunglasses; at the

>>>> core, mass proliferation of copywritten works (IP) for free. The intent was

>>>> the same and Underground-Gamer.com was taken down this past year for

>>>> gross proliferation.

>>>>

>>>> We'll see what spaghetti sticks to the ceiling and which falls. Though

>>>> the JSMESS stack is impressive, I'm of the opinion that public domain ROMs,

>>>> shareware, and other freeware may have been a better route to get the

>>>> conversation going from the start.

>>>>

>>>> Martin Goldberg <wgungfu at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> There isn't for the Atari related games, so your first assessment is

>>>>> most likely right.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Benj Edwards <

>>>>> editor at vintagecomputing.com> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> If I had to guess, I think Jason is uploading those commercial game

>>>>>> CDs to force the issue (i.e. preserve them at all costs, regardless of

>>>>>> legality), probably with the consideration that legal action against the

>>>>>> Archive for those old games is unlikely.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Or maybe IA does have some agreement cooked up with those games'

>>>>>> publishers.  But I seriously, seriously doubt it.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Benj

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> On 12/15/2013 3:36 PM, Andrew Armstrong wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I wonder who that is ;)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Andrew

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On 15/12/2013 19:14, Jim Leonard wrote:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On 12/8/2013 1:03 AM, Mike Melanson wrote:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> All of these seem to have a release date of today (December 7). So

>>>>>>>>> maybe

>>>>>>>>> they're planning a big announcement.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> A sampling of metadata for that collection shows "<uploader>

>>>>>>>> jscott at archive.org</uploader>", so I would imagine you can contact

>>>>>>>> that address for more details.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

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