[game_preservation] Internet Archive Starts Archiving Commercial PC Games?
Henry Lowood
lowood at stanford.edu
Mon Dec 16 17:24:25 EST 2013
Alex,
Absolutely. It would be great to get you and Frank to sit down together
with me and Charlotte and work through our list. We are hoping to be
able to rank rights-holders by number of titles held in the collection
and work down the list, so that we (potentially) get the most bang from
the rights-holders we are likely to contact first.
Whenever you guys are ready to schedule something, let me know.
Henry
On 12/16/2013 2:16 PM, Alex Handy wrote:
> Henry, we should sit down in the new year and talk about finding these
> folks. I think you, myself and maybe Frank if he's not too busy
> actually MAKING games, could make a dent in your list of targets.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Henry Lowood <lowood at stanford.edu
> <mailto:lowood at stanford.edu>> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> For the record: This is not a comment about the IA's policies and
> procedures. Also, I am reporting on work we are doing at Stanford
> in my words, not as an expression of Stanford policy or procedures.
>
> As part of our NIST project, we will make our best effort to
> contact rights holders. The goal is to document the process and
> gather data about our success rate (success = contact made and
> some level of permission given) and the factors affecting the
> success rate, ranging from conditions placed by rights-holders
> (including no permission) to orphaned works for which no
> rights-holder could be found. We hope to gather enough data to
> make a general statement about both availability of rights-holders
> and their responses.
>
> Obviously, we hope to acquire permission to make at least a
> portion of the migrated data from the Cabrinety collection
> available without restriction.
>
> Any information that anyone has about contact information for
> rights-holders to software/games released from the 1970s through
> 1993 would be appreciated. We will use that information in our
> contact process. Charlotte Thai, who is also on this list (I
> believe), will be working with me; you can send information to
> either one of us.
>
> Henry
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/16/2013 11:15 AM, Alex Handy wrote:
>>
>> Problem is most of the stuff he's preserving is damn near
>> impossible to source ip rights on. 80's game companies have all
>> been sold off a dozen times, and the companies that still own
>> those rights probably don't even know they own them..
>>
>> Ip is a mess right now. I think Jason is doing the right thing.
>> Waiting for companies to give him permission would basically doom
>> the project to failure.
>>
>> On Dec 16, 2013 9:30 AM, "Andrew Perti" <andrew.perti at thesimm.org
>> <mailto:andrew.perti at thesimm.org>> wrote:
>>
>> I recently had a lengthy discussion with Jason about this.
>> He's using what he calls the 'back door' method, rather than
>> the legal and conventional 'front door.' A 'let's see what
>> happens' approach.
>>
>> Preservation, to me, does not necessarily include making
>> something publicly available. This is especially true when
>> you don't hold an original to reference from. I'd call it
>> piracy with rose tinted sunglasses; at the core, mass
>> proliferation of copywritten works (IP) for free. The intent
>> was the same and Underground-Gamer.com
>> <http://Underground-Gamer.com> was taken down this past year
>> for gross proliferation.
>>
>> We'll see what spaghetti sticks to the ceiling and which
>> falls. Though the JSMESS stack is impressive, I'm of the
>> opinion that public domain ROMs, shareware, and other
>> freeware may have been a better route to get the conversation
>> going from the start.
>>
>> Martin Goldberg <wgungfu at gmail.com
>> <mailto:wgungfu at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> There isn't for the Atari related games, so your first
>> assessment is most likely right.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Benj Edwards
>> <editor at vintagecomputing.com
>> <mailto:editor at vintagecomputing.com>> wrote:
>>
>> If I had to guess, I think Jason is uploading those
>> commercial game CDs to force the issue (i.e. preserve
>> them at all costs, regardless of legality), probably
>> with the consideration that legal action against the
>> Archive for those old games is unlikely.
>>
>> Or maybe IA does have some agreement cooked up with
>> those games' publishers. But I seriously, seriously
>> doubt it.
>>
>> Benj
>>
>>
>> On 12/15/2013 3:36 PM, Andrew Armstrong wrote:
>>
>> I wonder who that is ;)
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> On 15/12/2013 19:14, Jim Leonard wrote:
>>
>> On 12/8/2013 1:03 AM, Mike Melanson wrote:
>>
>> All of these seem to have a release date
>> of today (December 7). So maybe
>> they're planning a big announcement.
>>
>>
>> A sampling of metadata for that collection
>> shows "<uploader>jscott at archive.org
>> <mailto:jscott at archive.org></uploader>", so I
>> would imagine you can contact that address
>> for more details.
>>
>>
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