[game_preservation] Internet Archive Starts Archiving Commercial PC Games?

[Alex Handy]

Henry, we should sit down in the new year and talk about finding these
folks. I think you, myself and maybe Frank if he's not too busy actually
MAKING games, could make a dent in your list of targets.


On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Henry Lowood <lowood at stanford.edu> wrote:


>  All,

>

> For the record: This is not a comment about the IA's policies and

> procedures.  Also, I am reporting on work we are doing at Stanford in my

> words, not as an expression of Stanford policy or procedures.

>

> As part of our NIST project, we will make our best effort to contact

> rights holders. The goal is to document the process and gather data about

> our success rate (success = contact made and some level of permission

> given) and the factors affecting the success rate, ranging from conditions

> placed by rights-holders (including no permission) to orphaned works for

> which no rights-holder could be found.  We hope to gather enough data to

> make a general statement about both availability of rights-holders and

> their responses.

>

> Obviously, we hope to acquire permission to make at least a portion of the

> migrated data from the Cabrinety collection available without restriction.

>

> Any information that anyone has about contact information for

> rights-holders to software/games released from the 1970s through 1993 would

> be appreciated.  We will use that information in our contact process.

> Charlotte Thai, who is also on this list (I believe), will be working with

> me; you can send information to either one of us.

>

> Henry

>

>

>

>

>

> On 12/16/2013 11:15 AM, Alex Handy wrote:

>

> Problem is most of the stuff he's preserving is damn near impossible to

> source ip rights on. 80's game companies have all been sold off a dozen

> times, and the companies that still own those rights probably don't even

> know they own them..

>

> Ip is a mess right now. I think Jason is doing the right thing. Waiting

> for companies to give him permission would basically doom the project to

> failure.

> On Dec 16, 2013 9:30 AM, "Andrew Perti" <andrew.perti at thesimm.org> wrote:

>

>> I recently had a lengthy discussion with Jason about this. He's using

>> what he calls the 'back door' method, rather than the legal and

>> conventional 'front door.' A 'let's see what happens' approach.

>>

>> Preservation, to me, does not necessarily include making something

>> publicly available. This is especially true when you don't hold an original

>> to reference from. I'd call it piracy with rose tinted sunglasses; at the

>> core, mass proliferation of copywritten works (IP) for free. The intent was

>> the same and Underground-Gamer.com was taken down this past year for

>> gross proliferation.

>>

>> We'll see what spaghetti sticks to the ceiling and which falls. Though

>> the JSMESS stack is impressive, I'm of the opinion that public domain ROMs,

>> shareware, and other freeware may have been a better route to get the

>> conversation going from the start.

>>

>> Martin Goldberg <wgungfu at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>> There isn't for the Atari related games, so your first assessment is

>>> most likely right.

>>>

>>>

>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Benj Edwards <

>>> editor at vintagecomputing.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> If I had to guess, I think Jason is uploading those commercial game CDs

>>>> to force the issue (i.e. preserve them at all costs, regardless of

>>>> legality), probably with the consideration that legal action against the

>>>> Archive for those old games is unlikely.

>>>>

>>>> Or maybe IA does have some agreement cooked up with those games'

>>>> publishers.  But I seriously, seriously doubt it.

>>>>

>>>> Benj

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> On 12/15/2013 3:36 PM, Andrew Armstrong wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> I wonder who that is ;)

>>>>>

>>>>> Andrew

>>>>>

>>>>> On 15/12/2013 19:14, Jim Leonard wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> On 12/8/2013 1:03 AM, Mike Melanson wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> All of these seem to have a release date of today (December 7). So

>>>>>>> maybe

>>>>>>> they're planning a big announcement.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> A sampling of metadata for that collection shows "<uploader>

>>>>>> jscott at archive.org</uploader>", so I would imagine you can contact

>>>>>> that address for more details.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

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