[game_preservation] Nintendo 3DS trailers

[Andre Lahmann]

hi,
i kind of hate to say it, but the way the gaming-industry is developing
right now it starts to make more and more sense to collect
scene-group-releases along with the actual game-copies. so that in case
the publisher goes out of business or the online-service is shut down,
the games can at least be played offline...
it's probably a very bad idea for libraries to do that right now, but
for private collectors of contemporary pc-games it seems to be the only
option - this might save some time in the future to develop
fixes/emulators to get games started without needing
online-verification. alone the preservation-aspect becomes corrupted as
the game is altered, but at least it works. (collecting the no-cd or
no-steam cracks might be sufficient too)
irony at it's best...

greetings,
andré

Am 07.11.2011 23:01, schrieb Henry Lowood:

> Christian,

>

> Yup, that's happened to me with EA sports games, too.   A propos, note

> the furor over the new Tiger Woods game, which basically is just a

> license to buy content via a distribution channel ...

>

> Henry

>

> On 11/7/2011 1:58 PM, Christian Bartsch wrote:

>> What can I say... I tried buying Spore. It was a used copy. I could

>> not create a new account. I contacted the wis guys at the management

>> level and was given a simple answer: Buy a fresh copy. So I returned

>> the game and have not bought an EA game since then. I nearly stopped

>> buying games, except for some console titles, and even ditched the

>> Duke, because of the DRM (Steam) used. Now call me old fashioned, and

>> I understand my behaviour won't change how the biz is working. But I

>> drove me out of it, I enjoy what I have, but I really pick every

>> title "by hand".

>>

>> This shift from selling licences to selling services is a bit... scary.

>>

>> I say it again. Games will vanish - instantly, the moment the

>> publisher goes out of business or as part of a legal settlement.

>> We've seen titles withdrawn in the past, but usually a few copies

>> survived somehow.

>>

>> I am not someone living in the past, but I really don't like it where

>> this train is going to.

>>

>>

>> --

>> Christian Bartsch

>> The Software Preservation Society

>> http://www.softpres.org <http://www.softpres.org/>

>>

>> On 7 Nov 2011, at 22:45, Henry Lowood wrote:

>>

>>> Christian,

>>>

>>> Agreed, and let me add that it's not just a problem for

>>> preservation.  Account-based services also make it nearly impossible

>>> for libraries to provide access to current titles offered via these

>>> channels.  For example, we have been unable to provide current

>>> access to indie titles available only via XBox Live.  It would be

>>> great to see some library-oriented services, as we have (say) with

>>> bibliographic databases.

>>>

>>> Henry

>>>

>>> On 11/7/2011 1:40 PM, Christian Bartsch wrote:

>>>> This is the ugly face of the convenient way games are delivered

>>>> today. I am very sure we will notice many games missing in the

>>>> years to come and it won't get better with all the DRM mania and

>>>> other specialties of modern delivery channels. 

>>>>

>>>> MP3 was freed a couple of years ago, but videos and games still

>>>> come in chains. Incriminating those breaking such protections is

>>>> understandable from a publisher's point of view, but a problem for

>>>> preservation. So where do you draw the line? And: Encryption is

>>>> really getting strong. Just look at those mobile phones.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Christian Bartsch

>>>> The Software Preservation Society

>>>> http://www.softpres.org <http://www.softpres.org/>

>>>>

>>>> On 7 Nov 2011, at 22:26, Henry Lowood wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Devin,

>>>>>

>>>>> are you asking about preservation of video game trailers or of the

>>>>> actual delivery channels themselves?  I am a little unclear about

>>>>> the question, but in a nut-shell, yes, there are efforts in both

>>>>> directions.  On the game side, there are several collections that

>>>>> are focused on video and trailers are included (cf. the Internet

>>>>> Archive Moving Image collections), but there is some work in

>>>>> digital preservation around environments in which media and

>>>>> software were used, such as at the British Library (and not so

>>>>> much about games).

>>>>>

>>>>> Henry

>>>>>

>>>>> On 11/7/2011 12:58 PM, Devin Monnens wrote:

>>>>>> I know this is a few weeks after the fact, but I didn't read the

>>>>>> message until after the fact anyway. Nintendo has been offering

>>>>>> some trailers for the 3DS through their DSiWare Store for use on

>>>>>> the 3DS. These included trailers for Mario, Mario Kart, and

>>>>>> Luigi's Mansion. However, at the end of October, the trailers

>>>>>> were removed. Unfortunately, while I had considered downloading

>>>>>> everything there, I did not get all of it. This raises a question

>>>>>> regarding the preservation of additional media such as game

>>>>>> trailers. With these, though, I assume they could be downloaded

>>>>>> onto the flash card and then transferred to an external storage

>>>>>> device - though I have not tried this myself. I was just curious

>>>>>> if anyone has been pursuing Virtual Console preservation (the

>>>>>> same thing could hold true for broadcasted material over the

>>>>>> Nintendo Video Channel, along with DSi Videos - they seem to be

>>>>>> taken down from service after a few days).

>>>>>>

>>>>>> -- 

>>>>>> Devin Monnens

>>>>>> www.deserthat.com <http://www.deserthat.com/>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The sleep of Reason produces monsters.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

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>>> Henry Lowood

>>> Curator, History of Science & Technology Collections;

>>>    Film & Media Collections

>>> HRG, Green Library, 557 Escondido Mall

>>> 650-723-4602; lowood at stanford.edu

>>> http://www.stanford.edu/~lowood

>>

>

> -- 

> Henry Lowood

> Curator, History of Science & Technology Collections;

>    Film & Media Collections

> HRG, Green Library, 557 Escondido Mall

> 650-723-4602; lowood at stanford.edu

> http://www.stanford.edu/~lowood

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