ol start with a specific number?

Fletcher T. Penney fletcher at fletcherpenney.net
Thu Apr 7 12:27:28 EDT 2011

I myself have thought about the benefits of establishing a standards
body/committee/whatever to define Markdown moving forward. One
comment --- if JG is not going to further maintain Markdown, such a
syntax may need to be renamed to make it clear that it not his
canonical version, but is something else.

I am not convinced that such a thing is *necessary*, but I would not
be opposed to its existence and would be interested in ensuring
MultiMarkdown is compliant should such a standards group be created.


On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Sherwood Botsford <sgbotsford at gmail.com> wrote:

> Markdown support is sufficiently fragmented that anyone who moves MD files

> from one system to another without checking may be justly said to be getting

> what he deserves.


> It's getting apparent that JG has little interest in further work on

> markdown.  It is time to pretend that he has been abducted by aliens, and to

> carry on without him.


> I can see various things to happen from here:


> 1.  BabelMark could become the repository for dialect differences. Couple

> BabelMark to a wiki.


> 2.  The various MD implementors could get together and define what is core

> markdown.  This is the feature set that everyone supports or is willing to

> support.


> Core features could be supported OotB, or Conf   -- Out of the box, or by a

> configuration file, or by a tag or flag in the file.


> In particular the core group would define what behaviour should happen in

> the edge cases where it currently is not well defined.


> Thus constructs like the numbering issue earlier in this thread may have a

> config file entry of:

> LazyNumber = {traditional | initial }  #traditional -- always starts with 1,

> initial starts with the first number provided.


> With time it's hoped that more and more of the features drift into core.


> Question:  If we look at the dialects of MD that account for, say, 90% of

> the use, how many of the implementors of those are on this list?




> Respectfully,


> Sherwood of Sherwood's Forests


> Sherwood Botsford

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> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Aristotle Pagaltzis <pagaltzis at gmx.de>

> wrote:


>> * Waylan Limberg <waylan at gmail.com> [2011-04-07 04:15]:

>> > I'm not opposed to adding this, but I noticed that no other

>> > implementation (of those on Babelmark) implements this by

>> > default (not counting Pandoc's extended mode). I haven't

>> > checked if other implementations offer this as an option.


>> John’s reason was that the `start` attribute was deprecated

>> in HTML 4 Strict. He has since said at least once that this

>> reasoning was flawed and the decision a mistake.


>> > My question is: should this be an option to turn on and off,

>> > and if so, should it be on or off by default?


>> Bitter as it may be I think you would need to leave it off by

>> default. Interoperability is important.


>> > Given that statement, it would seem that on by default and

>> > without an option to turn if off would be fine.


>> I wish John would make another release to straighten out these

>> handful of known tiny niggles… since his is the implementation

>> that everyone else’s will follow.


>> > But what is the reality in the real world? If I did that, would

>> > a bunch of documents suddenly start rendering incorrectly - or

>> > at least different that expected? I guess the real question is:

>> > has everyone been ignoring that piece of advice in the docs and

>> > if so, is this something we should care about as implementors?


>> It’s not that simple. Consider what happens if some user writes

>> a document while previewing it with your implementation, which

>> advertises itself as Markdown, then pastes it into the textarea

>> in some web app, which also advertises Markdown support.


>> Regards,

>> --

>> Aristotle Pagaltzis // <http://plasmasturm.org/>

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